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Debate: Random sobriety tests for drivers
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*'''[[Argument: "Reasonable suspicion" too high standard for detecting drunk drivers| "Reasonable suspicion" too high standard for detecting drunk drivers]]''' [http://www.bcmj.org/council-health-promotion/random-breath-testing-needed-and-effective-measure-prevent-impaired-driving "Random breath testing: A needed and effective measure to prevent impaired driving fatalities." BCMJ. December 10th, 2009]: "Unless a driver admits to drinking, the police currently need clear visible signs that the driver has consumed alcohol or was driving in an impaired manner in order to demand a roadside screening test. Using this approach, police miss the great majority of drivers with BACs above .05%, even at sobriety checkpoints." | *'''[[Argument: "Reasonable suspicion" too high standard for detecting drunk drivers| "Reasonable suspicion" too high standard for detecting drunk drivers]]''' [http://www.bcmj.org/council-health-promotion/random-breath-testing-needed-and-effective-measure-prevent-impaired-driving "Random breath testing: A needed and effective measure to prevent impaired driving fatalities." BCMJ. December 10th, 2009]: "Unless a driver admits to drinking, the police currently need clear visible signs that the driver has consumed alcohol or was driving in an impaired manner in order to demand a roadside screening test. Using this approach, police miss the great majority of drivers with BACs above .05%, even at sobriety checkpoints." | ||
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+ | *'''[[Argument: RBT has been successfully implemented in many modern democracies| RBT has been successfully implemented in many modern democracies]]''' [http://www.bcmj.org/council-health-promotion/random-breath-testing-needed-and-effective-measure-prevent-impaired-driving "Random breath testing: A needed and effective measure to prevent impaired driving fatalities." BCMJ. December 10th, 2009]: "Random breath testing has been in place in most comparable democracies for as long as 30 years. Finland, Sweden, and France enacted RBT in the late 1970s, followed by Norway and most Australian states in the 1980s, New Zealand and most European countries in the 1990s, and Ireland in 2006. In 2003, the European Commission recommended that all 26 member states introduce comprehensive random breath testing programs." All of this suggests that RBT can be implemented in ways consistent with individual rights in a modern, liberal democracy. | ||
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*'''Innocent ''do'' have something to fear from unjust searches.''' [http://greenparty.ca/blogs/13326/2010-03-14/random-breath-testing-violates-charter-rights "Random Breath Testing Violates Charter Rights" Green Party of Canada. March 4th, 2010]: "The 'logic' that the innocent have nothing to fear from such searches rests on the presumption that there is never a miscarriage of justice by the authorities. If we remove Charter protection, then we have only the good judgement of the authorities to rely on. History tells us that by itself this is not enough." | *'''Innocent ''do'' have something to fear from unjust searches.''' [http://greenparty.ca/blogs/13326/2010-03-14/random-breath-testing-violates-charter-rights "Random Breath Testing Violates Charter Rights" Green Party of Canada. March 4th, 2010]: "The 'logic' that the innocent have nothing to fear from such searches rests on the presumption that there is never a miscarriage of justice by the authorities. If we remove Charter protection, then we have only the good judgement of the authorities to rely on. History tells us that by itself this is not enough." | ||
- | *'''[[Argument: Random sobriety stops set-up unjust detection of other crimes| Random sobriety stops set-up unjust detection of other crimes]]''' | + | *'''[[Argument: Random sobriety stops set-up unjust detection of other crimes| Random sobriety stops set-up unjust detection of other crimes]]''' [http://bcinto.blogspot.com/2009/10/random-breath-tests-frightening-trial.html "Random breath tests: A frightening trial-baloon from Rob Nicholson." A BCer in Toronto. October 5th, 2009]: "this would seem to open up a huge can of legal worms. You randomly pull someone over for a random breathalyzer test, someone that under normal circumstances you have no legal probable cause for doing so. And in that process, while they blow clean you discover they have committed another offense: let's say, the possession of a small amount of marijuana." |
*'''[[Argument: Random breath tests create slippery slope to expanding police powers| Random breath tests create slippery slope to expanding police powers]]''' | *'''[[Argument: Random breath tests create slippery slope to expanding police powers| Random breath tests create slippery slope to expanding police powers]]''' | ||
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*'''Everyone knows drunk driving is wrong.''' Of course drink driving is wrong. You are wasting time trying to convince us of that – we all know it. The debate has to be about whether random testing will do anything, and whether it is proportionate to the problem concerned. People still continue to drink drive regardless of knowing they are breaking the law and aware that they may be breath tested. Roads and transport ministers in Australia have even been booked for drink driving. | *'''Everyone knows drunk driving is wrong.''' Of course drink driving is wrong. You are wasting time trying to convince us of that – we all know it. The debate has to be about whether random testing will do anything, and whether it is proportionate to the problem concerned. People still continue to drink drive regardless of knowing they are breaking the law and aware that they may be breath tested. Roads and transport ministers in Australia have even been booked for drink driving. | ||
- | *'''Most drunk driver aren't caught through random breath tests.''' The majority of people caught drink driving have not been from random breath tests. They have been from tip-offs, police chases and police pulling over suspects, not random breath testing. Drink driving crime rates have barely gone down in most countries since it was started. | + | *'''Most drunk drivers aren't caught through random breath tests.''' The majority of people caught drink driving have not been from random breath tests. They have been from tip-offs, police chases and police pulling over suspects, not random breath testing. That suggests that random breath tests might be one of the less effective means of catching drunk drivers. |
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- | *'''Good use of police to cultivate awareness on drunk driving.''' Guaranteeing a culture of awareness that the driver might be subjected to testing – and thereby ensuring people drink responsibly – can be achieved by random testing. It’s a good investment of police time, which will ensure a cultural change that is desperately needed. If, as the opposition alleges, officers falsify the results, then that is against regulations and they should be investigated for it – as they were in Western Australia. | + | *'''Good use of police to cultivate awareness on drunk driving.''' Guaranteeing a culture of awareness that the driver might be subjected to testing – and thereby ensuring people drink responsibly – can be achieved by random testing. It’s a good investment of police time, which will ensure a cultural change that is desperately needed. |
- | *'''Police are already performing random alcohol stops.''' In reality, even where random testing is not allowed, most officers realise that this is necessary – that is why they often make up reasons to stop people (like claiming they were driving erratically) in order to carry out a de facto random testing system already. | + | *'''Random breath tests worthwhile; stop offenders, keep roads safe.''' You cannot say that random breath testing is a waste of money. They act not only as a deterrent to drunk driving, but they catch offenders who aren't deterrent. Advertising alongside random breath testing also works to lower road death rates and keep innocent pedestrians and car passengers safer. You cannot say that saving lives is a waste of money. |
- | *'''Random breath tests worthwhile: stop offenders, keep roads safe.''' You cannot say that random breath testing is a waste of money. They act not only as a detterent to drink driving, but they catch offenders who aren't deterrent. Advertsing alongside random breath testing also works to lower road death rates and keep innocent pedestrians and car passengers safer. You cannot say that saving lives is a waste of money. | + | *'''Police are already performing random alcohol stops.''' In reality, even where random testing is not allowed, most officers realize that this is necessary – that is why they often make up reasons to stop people (like claiming they were driving erratically) in order to carry out a de facto random testing system already. |
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*'''Police time is better spent pursing proper offenders.''' Police time is better spent pursuing those about whom there are concrete suspicions, rather than trawling society at large in the hope of turning something up. Most random breath tests deliver negative alcohol results and it mostly a waste of time. Also, because it is random, offenders could get past while police test thousands of innocent drivers. Since police officers realise this they often (as happened in Western Australia) falsify the information for tests, making up tests, etc. in order to get the requirement to conduct them out of the way – so they can do proper police work. | *'''Police time is better spent pursing proper offenders.''' Police time is better spent pursuing those about whom there are concrete suspicions, rather than trawling society at large in the hope of turning something up. Most random breath tests deliver negative alcohol results and it mostly a waste of time. Also, because it is random, offenders could get past while police test thousands of innocent drivers. Since police officers realise this they often (as happened in Western Australia) falsify the information for tests, making up tests, etc. in order to get the requirement to conduct them out of the way – so they can do proper police work. | ||
- | *'''Police money is better spent catching concrete offenders.''' Instead of wasting innocent drivers' time and government and police money, police should crack down on concrete offenders, not try to catch people they don't suspect have been drinking. And because the tests are random, offenders can easily get away. | + | |
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[Edit] Are random breath tests for drivers a good idea? |
[Edit] Background and contextRandom breath testing of drivers for excess alcohol in the blood is a policy that intends to bring down the number of drink drivers. The European Commission believes that the police forces of all member states of the European Union should be able to conduct random breath tests. This could, for example, involve officers being sent to a different road every day and pulling over perhaps every hundredth car to subject its driver to a compulsory breathalyser test. If the driver failed the test, they would be prosecuted and mostly likely punished. However, some countries (such as the UK) have laws that state that drivers can only be tested if officers have a reason to believe that they have been drinking, usually because of the erratic manner in which they have been driving. This has therefore been a debate in Europe for some time. Random breath testing for alcohol is currently legal in several EU countries, and in Australia, where drivers may be stopped at any point along any road by a police officer for a "random breath test", commonly referred to as an "RBT". In the United Stated, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers has been lobbying across the country to implement random alcohol tests. Many states and municipalities have implemented such checks and many others are considering the idea. |
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[Edit] [ ![]() Rights: Are random searches consistent with individual rights? | |
[Edit] Yes
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[Edit] No
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[Edit] [ ![]() Efficacy: Are they effective at stopping/deterring drunk driving? | |
[Edit] Yes
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[Edit] No
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[Edit] [ ![]() Police resources: Are they a good use of police time/resources? | |
[Edit] Yes
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[Edit] No
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[Edit] [ ![]() Accurate readings? Are breath test readings fair and accurate? | |
[Edit] Yes
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[Edit] No
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[Edit] [ ![]() Self-regulations: Can individuals self-regulate? | |
[Edit] Yes
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[Edit] No
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